The REAL Reason you Still Suck with Women Leigh (LoGun) Approaching Women 28 Comments Despite what you might think, your story isn’t that different to most guys. Your fragile confidence took a beating when you were turned down in the 6th grade. Having to turn up to the 8th grade dance without a partner sucked even harder. ESPECIALLY when Sarah, the smiley blonde from your Wednesday afternoon math class told you “I’m just going to go alone” and ended up going with Chris, the football team captain. Then, after being accompanied to the year 10 formal by the chess club captain and his attentive vice-president because every girl you asked replied with “I don’t want to ruin our friendship”, you turned to the world for advice. “Just be yourself…” and “Just be confident!”, got you nowhere. The wise words (“Just be cool. Do fun stuff and make fun of them”) of the natural from your year 12 Physical Education class were as useless as everything else you were hearing. Men’s Health gave you 8 great pointers on developing the kind of 6-pack that drives girls wild and GQ’s style guide told you the 11 hottest pairs of shoes for the summer… Googling ‘How to attract women’ just landed you a bunch of shitty, quick-fix, poorly thoughout guides that gave you the same, banal, well presented yet completely ineffective advice that could have come out of the pages of Cosmo for Men. 2 months on a pickup forum only made you realise how the guys who know the most theory were also the guys who got the least results. And now, after 6 months of searching, trying and failing, you’re still basically in the same spot. You can quote the 8 most important body language traits of an Alpha Male and know the evolutionary foundation of attraction, yet you still go home at night, empty handed and alone, wondering what’s missing from this puzzle. How do I know this? Because this is my story. And the story of the guy who read this before you. And probably the one after as well. Maybe it wasn’t 8th grade dance but every guy who’ll read this has a ‘Sarah’ in his past. Maybe it wasn’t your year 10 formal but every guy has ended up in the friend zone more than once. It’s the well worn path that your average, confused, dateless wonder walks down that commonly ends up with him trawling through the internet at 2am on a Saturday night after another unsuccessful adventure, that started with so much promise, and ended with a silent whimper as the bar tender called “Last drinks” and the security guard politely asked you to move on. So now, as the afternoon sun creeps slowly behind the horizon on another wasted day filled with missed opportunities and empty promises to yourself about how ‘Tomorrow will be different!”, you’ve come here for the answer. And not for a surface level, well intentioned, exciting but ultimately flawed and quite impractical set of tips to get you stuck further inside your head with all the rules you’re trying to remember to follow when you really just want to tell the beautiful girl in front of you how much you want to kiss her. You’re here for a real, practical solution that will allow you be yourself, be real, be honest, genuine, and authentic AND attract naturally beautiful women. Great, because that’s what you’re about to read. But before I give you the solution, we need to start with the basics. Why? Because you’ll never find a solution until you know what the real problem is. You’ll never work out exactly what you need to change to start attracting confident, beautiful, in-demand women until you work out what’s pushing them away. You can keep putting more and more gas into your car, but if the reason it won’t start is because you haven’t put the keys in the ignition, it’s never going to get you anywhere. So lets start here: The start. Why aren’t women attracted to you? You might be tempted to recite any number of different responses here: lack of knowledge about attraction, not tall enough, anxiety, wrong ethnicity (shout out to all my Asian brothers), too poor, running out of things to say, bad body language, or any other personality characteristics you read about in BuzzFeeds 16 personal traits that will repel women. Whilst all of these might sound great in theory, they’re all actually wrong. Not because your body language and having interesting things to talk about isn’t important, but because all of these problems are symptoms of the real reason you still suck with women. – Your problem isn’t your lack of knowledge about Alpha body language. Alpha guys don’t spend hours in front of the computer trying to remember how to stand, sit, and walk so they can impress women. – Your problem isn’t that you run out of things to say. When a woman’s attracted to you, she’ll actively work to keep the conversation going, even when you stall. – Your problem isn’t that you have anxiety. The guys who end up going home with the women that you spend the night watching from the other side of the bar, aren’t the ones who don’t get anxiety. They simply don’t let the anxiety stop them from doing what they want. – Your problem isn’t that you don’t know the ‘right’ things to talk about. The problem is that you think there’s a ‘right’ thing to talk about that’s going to make up for the fact that women aren’t attracted to you. – Etc… – Etc… – Etc… All these traits and characteristics that you’ve read about in countless dating books aren’t actually the real problem. This is why buying new shoes, standing up taller, and remembering things to talk about isn’t getting you laid like a rockstar. You’ve been doing the dating equivalent of doing lots of star jumps to fix the fact that you’re morbidly obese from all the junk food you eat. You’ve been taking Panadol to deal with the fact you’ve been shot. Not smart. Remember what I said before? If you don’t find the right problem, you’ll never find a real solution. So what’s the real problem? The REAL reason that you still suck with women is that you’re Dependent. Plain and simple. It’s got nothing to do with your lack of knowledge about the deep psychological workings of the feminine attraction mechanism (FAM), the size of your bank balance, the country of origin of your parents, or the brand of sneaker you wore to the bar. It’s simply Dependence. You’re either Dependent on other people to tell you how to live your life, to give you permission to live the life you want, to feel connected, in-control, important, and significant, or a combination of all three. You wait for the world to tell you what to do and where to go, to laugh at your jokes, to applaud you when you succeed, and when it doesn’t, you feel alone, powerless, and insignificant. That’s it. That’s all. It’s got nothing to do with your knowledge of celebrity gossip or the cut of the shirt you’re wearing. It’s all because of the thoughts and mechanisms that are running through your head. Your Dependence is the cause of every problem you face with women and most problems you’ll face in the rest of your life. Think about it like this: If you crave acceptance from the people who pass you by, every day, how willing will you be to put yourself out there and risk possible rejection from a beautiful woman? If you care more about what other people think about you than what you think about you, how willing are you going to be to step outside your box and do things that society frowns upon, like approaching and expressing your sexual desire? If you spend 6 years at college studying a subject you have no interest in because you think it’s going to make you enough money to impress your friends, how fulfilling is your life going to be? How playful, fun, and engaging are you going to be when talking about your work? If you stand around waiting for the world to give you permission to finally do what you want, then how exciting is your life going to be? How many great stories are you going to have and how much passion are you going to tell them with? If your sense of self-worth is determined by how people respond to you, how confident, strong, and powerful are you going to feel when trying to start a conversation with someone you’ve never met before and when you don’t know how they’re going to respond? And how ‘Alpha’ is your body language going to be? The reason you still suck with women, despite the amount of information you’ve learned, the conversations you’ve had, and the amount of times you’ve failed, is because you’ve been trying to treat the wrong problem. Your problem is Dependence and your success with women isn’t going to improve until you deal with this. – You have to work out what kind of life you really want to create so you can experience the self-assuredness that only comes from knowing yourself on your deepest level. – You have to take responsibility for what’s happened in your past so you can start building the future you want without anything holding you back. – You have to take responsibility for your emotional responses so that your no longer a slave to how other people respond to you. – You have to take conscious control of feeling powerful, connected, free, and fulfilled so that you can stop needing other people treat you ‘right’. Because when you do that, everything changes. – When you stop letting fear rule your life and decide to take control, approaching becomes an exciting adventure. – When you start to give yourself the acceptance you’ve been craving from everyone around you, rejection doesn’t seem like such a big deal. – When you develop your own vision of what you believe is right and wrong, you stop needing to consult handbooks and to work out what you need to do next. – When you start doing what you want, rather than what you’ve been told to do, your life becomes rewarding and fulfilling. – When you start to lean over your edge, rather than hiding safely behind it, your life becomes exciting and you talk about it with passion and energy. And all of this is called Independence. Independence is the state where stop depending on the world around you for your vision of life, for permission to take action, for being strong, confident, and in control and feeling significant and worthy. It’s where you drop the games and stop relying on other people to give you what you’re looking for out of life and actually just start creating it. It’s where you stop being at deficit in the world and start being a creator. This is where all those little problems that you’ve being trying to fix all just seem to disappear without you even trying. Why? Because you’ve fixed the core problem that created them, rather than just trying to stick layer after ever more complicated layer of games over the top of them. So the obvious question is: How? How do you end Dependence and start being Independent? How to you deal with the real reason that you still suck with women? To answer that, you need to know a little more about Dependence. – You need to know the 5 elements of Dependence. – You need to know how they relate to each other. – You need to know how to diagnose which one is your biggest problem. – You need to know the individual steps required for to deal with each step. – And you need to know how to apply them. All of this is what you’ll find in the brand new Endgame Addendum. The 14,000 word addition has been written, edited, proofed and it’s been added to the PDF. All it needs now is a few guys to read over it and make sure that there are no errors in it before it’s released to the public. The question I have for you is: Do you want to be one of those guys? In order to qualify, you need to have already read Endgame and want to get deeper into the understand of what, why, and how. If that’s you, just add your name and Endgame purchase order number to the comments below and I’ll send the copy straight out to you. Oh, and here’s what the guys who’ve read it are saying: ————— I’ve ready through 10 pages thus far and I can already tell you that It’s made things a lot clearer for me. It seems I’ve misinterpreted some key points of Endgame as well. Experiential dependence/independence and to a lesser extent emotional dependence has personally already stood out for me. – Mario ————— Thankyou for letting me be one of the first ones to read the addendum. I haven’t finished reading it yet, I’m only halfway! But it has definitely made a lot of things clearer, I am Experientially Dependant and I want to be Experientially Independent. I am in the process of changing my life and these few pages have made a lot of things a lot clearer, saving me so much time. Thanks again mate. – Damian ————— If you’ve already bought your copy of Endgame and want to wait it out till the final version is finished, you’ll be getting the updated version in your inbox in less than 2 weeks. If you’re interested in learning about the 5 elements of Dependence and Independence, how to diagnose which one is your big problem, the steps you need to take, and how you can apply them to your life, right now, so that all the problems you face with women won’t exist any more, then you’ll get your chance to read it very soon. Keep an eye on the blog and because I’ll be updating it very soon with all the details. Until then, Leigh Join over 25,000 subcribersDownload your FREE copy of Seduction Community Sucks now and get in-field videos, subscriber-only articles, and exclusive podcasts delivered directly to your inbox If you're ready to become the kind of Man that attracts confident and in-demand women without trying, then I have a gift to start you on that journey. Seduction Community Sucks is your 159 page kick-start to becoming the kind of Man that makes women go weak at the knees. Get your FREE copy, as well as access to other subscriber-only articles, podcasts, and video footage, now. Get your FREE ebook, hidden articles, in-field videos, and exclusive podcasts here: 28 Responses Jammer October 31, 2013 Thanks for the pitch man. Do you mean we should START to let fear rule our lives or STOP letting it run our lives. I believe we should let it be there, but courage (action in the face of fear) is what we lead with instead of fear-induced paralysis. Reply Leigh (LoGun) October 31, 2013 Are you referring to a mistake in the text somewhere? I can’t find it. Reply Dawit October 31, 2013 I was thinking about that expression too. “- When you start to let fear rule your life and decide to take control, approaching becomes an exciting adventure.” But I understood what you meant Leigh (LoGun) October 31, 2013 Ahhh…. That’s what you’re talking about. Fixed. Jonas October 31, 2013 1895 Jonas Labahn looking forward to it! Reply Grant October 31, 2013 I believe my order number was 69698==>. Actually no, that’s just some 69’s and a penis. I’d be happy to give it a proofreader though. Reply Dawit October 31, 2013 Dawit Invoice 1651 Reply Shawn October 31, 2013 Shawn Ahuja(Or it may be Anuradha Sarkar) Order# 1493 Reply DecisionTime October 31, 2013 LoGun, I’m very interested to read the addendum. However, I’m lacking an order number, but I emailed you on 8/5/13 about something else so hopefully that works. Reply Leigh (LoGun) October 31, 2013 Awesome. That’s it. I’ve got 6 guys here and they’ll get the copies. All the rest of you will have to wait. Reply prasetya November 1, 2013 Hi leigh I know you have enough people to review the new endgame. But just in case you need extra, i willing to help. My order number is 1601. Reply Leigh (LoGun) November 2, 2013 Thanks for putting your hand up mate. I’ve already sent out the copies and guys are working through them now so I’ll stick with them for now. If it looks like I need more guys to help out, I’ll definitely reach out. Thanks for the offer. Leigh Reply Nae November 23, 2013 Hey, i read it (won it as i remember); Would be glad to make a reading-proof (even to the older chapters); My job has to do with writing so i guess i would be helpful; Reply J.D. December 24, 2013 Yet another massive overgeneralization. Yes, capital-D Dependent guys have trouble with women. But plenty of other guys do too. You don’t hear from them as much, because they’re not as obsessed with their struggle. But they’re out there…even if they’re invisible to you (and probably not potential coaching clients). Reply Leigh (LoGun) December 30, 2013 I think we have a VERY different idea of who a dependent guy is (I’m guessing you haven’t read the Addendum yet). I’ve had the pleasure of meeting probably 5 guys I would put in the category of Independent in my entire list and I’m not in that list. And no, not a single one of them had any issues with women. You might have met a different group of independent guys but if they’re having issues with women, they’re definitely not Independent. Reply Beleal August 22, 2014 Hi, I bought and read Endgame last October and it helped me become someone I have always wanted to be. I no longer have my product code but I would love to read the updated version. Reply Janice October 10, 2014 Very good post. I’m dealing with many of these issues as well.. Reply mike November 17, 2014 This has some what helped me but im curious to know. My problem is that ill be talking to a girl and then when I make plans there is always an excuse of why they cant make it and they dont tell me so i sit around waiting for them to say something to me. It realy sucks. Reply leigh November 17, 2014 Do you think that if they were truly attracted to you, they’d make other plans? Reply Brian November 25, 2014 I bought a copy of Endgame like 3-4yrs ago and must say it was/is an awesome book, and I’d love to read the addendum, however I don’t have the PO#.. Can you provide me with any help as to how I can get a copy of the addendum? Reply Paul February 13, 2015 It is more like the women that i have met Really Sucked since i made very bad Choices. Reply Travis September 4, 2015 Travis Marshall #: 4387 Reply Truth September 22, 2015 Well with many women today that are very high maintenance, independent, selfish, spoiled, and very greedy, really speaks for itself. Reply Jay August 16, 2016 Just too many Gay women these days unfortunately. Reply Josh December 18, 2016 The content on this site has truly changed my life. I used to think it was the women’s fault. But it’s not. It’s me. I can see that now. It hurts, but at least it means I can do something about it, rather than just wasting my life away yelling into my pillow every night. Reply And This Is Why Many Of Us Good Men Are Still Single Today April 21, 2017 Today unfortunately it has become very dangerous for many of us good single men out there trying to meet a good woman that is nice. And God forbid for many of us men that will try to start a conversation with a woman that will attract us by saying hello or good morning to them which they will turn around and yes Curse at us for no reason at all. I had this happened to me already and so have a couple of friends that i know had it happened to them as well at different times since i wasn’t with them at the time when it did happened to them as well. Most of the women of today have become so very horrible and very pathetic altogether the way that they’re acting with us men especially when there are many of us very good innocent men out there that know how to treat women with a lot of love and respect since they will never give us a chance at all since many of us men Aren’t to blame at all since Most of the women unfortunately have really changed for the Worst of all. So how in the world would many of us good men be able to meet a nice woman then especially when they’re like this today? Now with all of these reality TV shows as well as social media has certainly changed these type of women even more since it really has Corrupted many of their minds to hate many of us men even more. Lets face reality here since Most of the women of today will Never be as nice as the women of the past which Most of the women back then were raised by good parents and were the very complete opposite of what they’re today since they had a great personality, much better manors, and had a lot of respect for the men at that time. And Most of the men i would say back then also knew how to treat their women very well too. Quite a change in the women of today which is very sad for many of us men really looking for love now since the odds are certainly against us since Most of the women of today are really at fault for this mess since it does take two too tango. Reply Lon Spector May 18, 2017 “Some Guys Have All The Luck,” to borrow a title from a song, and that’s all there is to it. Live with it or commit suicide. Reply AW July 8, 2017 Just too many Whores everywhere nowadays since all the good women unfortunately are all taken. 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